Release Dates for ST Legacy

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Postby Aoav160 » Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:07 am

Cry woe, destruction, ruin, loss, decay; The worst is death, and death will have his day.

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Postby teeth_03 » Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:02 pm

that news has been out a lil while now

oh,and btw,your sig is wrong I do believe, 'loss' should be 'and'

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Postby Aoav160 » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:52 am

Quote ok, http://www.bartleby.com/70/2632.html Line 106. Hadn't seen the date so I threw it up there.
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Postby teeth_03 » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:04 am

well,I like the unoffical 'Chang' version better

'Cry woe,ruin destruction and decay,the worst is death...and death shall have his day'

I do beleive he said it either in the movie or in the game

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Postby Kt'Hyla » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:00 am

He used it in the game, "Cry havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War," was used in ST VI.

I've found about equal uses of both 'and' and 'loss' from Richie II, but I haven't run into any hints as to what source is what. Although I'm assuming that the 'and' version is more authentic, since Chang is familiar with the original Klingon works. ;) It's odd that nobody's bothered discussing the fact that Shakespeare's a Klingon in ST.
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Postby Aoav160 » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:08 pm

And that Kirk has Klingon blood too. That is the only explantion :)
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Postby teeth_03 » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:01 pm

lol

http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1721

I wanna hear what all those stupid people at that forum wanna say

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Postby Kt'Hyla » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:14 pm

Funny nobody in that discussion actually mentioned the 2 canon references: Khan's "revenge is a dish" quote from Hamlet, but refering to it as a Klingon proverb, and Chang's implication that The Bard's works were originally writen in Klingon...
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Postby RacerX » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:18 pm

That may be due to some other reason. Changs claim that Shakespears works were originally in klingon could not be disproven as much of the work of the bard was simple remakes of old tales passed down by word of mouth, He just happen to be the one that we remember putting it to paper.

As for "Revenge is a dish best served cold" existed long before Hamlet.
Actually the origins of the quote "Revenge is a dish best served cold are unknown, as it appears in many languages. The earliest well-known example of this proverb in print is "La vengeance est un plat qui se mange froid" from the play Les Liaisons Dangereuses (1782) by Pierre Ambroise Francois Choderios de LaClos ( damn what a name).

I believe what chang was trying to point out was how the 2 (two) worlds had developed along simular lines and that the klingon was no different than man except by how man had forgotten his past and the Klingon had Honored theirs.
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Postby Kt'Hyla » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:39 pm

That's a bit of a stretch. If he was refering to Klingon works that paralleled Human ones then he would have refered to those works, Klingon pride would have demanded that. It's definitely true that the stories used by Shakespeare are universal, but what sets his works apart (and are highly unlikely to be reproduced anywhere else) is the specific prose constructed by him. This is what sets works like Hamlet apart from others, such as The Lion King.

However, I goofed, it was Gorkon that made the reference, rather than Chang. Furthering the specific reference that Shakespeare was originally writen in Klingon, Gorkon quotes a specific line from Hamlet:

Gorkon: "I offer a toast. The undiscovered country... ...the future."
Everyone: "The undiscovered country."
Spock: "Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1."
Gorkon: "You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon."
Chang: "taH pagh taHbe'"

Taken prima facia, the inference is that Shakespeare's works were originally published in Klingon, not someone else's. Any other interpertation requires that we make assumptions that have no bearing in ST canon.
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Postby RacerX » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:47 pm

would it also be assumed that popular books are simply translated and published gorkon could have read a shakespear book that was translated to Klingon.. as for it being" in the Original Klingon" this could be a refferance to the Language, as currently their are 3 versions of the written Klingon language. I may stand corrected on this later But I believe all 3 versions have been shown in the movies and series. this could be due to human and other alien influance on the Klingon culture.

But stating that the "experience" of shakespear is better or more moving in their language may be true( as you said ) because of his identifing style and structure.

And thanks to the Klingons at KLAW for providing this link
http://www.khemorex-klinzhai.de/e/Hol/

this is Sonnet #6 in (what is considered) the original klingon.

vaj SoHDaq bovlIj tuj ghItlhHa' chuchbov moH
ghop QaDqu', 'e' yImIm, leS yaHpa' HIqlIj.
yuchmo' HIvje' yIteb. Daq vay' yIwovmoH,
'IHqu'mo' mIp Dalanbogh, Heghpa' tIqlIj.

Huch ngIlbogh DIlqangtaHvIS, Quchchugh, vaj
ghaH ruplu', 'a Hatbe' Huch voHDajbo'.
vaj SoH wa' latlh DaSepmeH Qu' Daghaj.
wa'maH DaSepchugh, wa'maHlogh vaj Do'.

'ej wa'maH SoH Do' law', wa' SoH Do' puS.
toH wa'maHlogh nIrapmeH chenchugh wa'maH,
vaj chay' DuQIHlaH HeghlIj? nem DupuS;
'a yIn DatlheDpu'DI', nem yIntaH qa'naH.

vaj yImulQo'. bI'IHqu'. vaj Duchargh
Hegh, 'e' yIbot. 'ej not nIcho'jaj ghargh.

but it is really no different then saying that Shakespear is more beautiful in French
or more eligant in ethiopian "click clack click bloody click".
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Postby teeth_03 » Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:08 am

I find it funny that the 'revenge is a dish best served cold' was quoted at the beginning of 'Kill Bill vol 1' and right below it,it said 'Old Klingon Proverb'

so I supose Quentin Tarinteno is also Klingon

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Postby saucer_section » Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:44 pm

I was told the "revenge is a dish best served cold" was an ancient chinese proverb
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Postby D'Arcinoff » Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:51 pm

that was first used by divorse lawyers

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Postby Aoav160 » Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:51 pm

D'Arcinoff wrote:that was first used by divorse lawyers

:) After I got taken to the cleaners she was served a buffet of revenge 15 years later.
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Postby Kt'Hyla » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:12 pm

I've heard it was Spanish...
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Postby Mauler85 » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:13 pm

its and Ancient proverb altogether ive heard it is from alot of ancient civs we all take credit for this one
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Postby saucer_section » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:27 pm

The game comes out tomorrow. YAY!
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Postby RCgothic » Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:01 pm

Am I the only one who notices that is says nov 7th for Xbox and makes no metnion of the PC version?
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Postby Mauler85 » Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:17 pm

EB games.com says the 21st is when i comes out
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